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		<title>By: Ric</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 21:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree pretty much with that. But given that there are any number of people all through time who will seek money and its attachments, I see nothing wrong in wishing them well as they pass by and make things possible for the rest of us, such as philosophy for its own sake. We can&#039;t fix greed but we can keep it in check (although recent events would seem to contradict that idea) and let it pollinate, if you will, more intellectually interesting pursuits. (I saw a quote today that might fit here, analogically: You can&#039;t fix stupid but you can numb it with a 2 x 4.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree pretty much with that. But given that there are any number of people all through time who will seek money and its attachments, I see nothing wrong in wishing them well as they pass by and make things possible for the rest of us, such as philosophy for its own sake. We can&#8217;t fix greed but we can keep it in check (although recent events would seem to contradict that idea) and let it pollinate, if you will, more intellectually interesting pursuits. (I saw a quote today that might fit here, analogically: You can&#8217;t fix stupid but you can numb it with a 2 x 4.)</p>
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		<title>By: JW Gray</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 21:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ric, my view is that there is something wrong with seeking money for its own sake because it exists purely to be used, but it&#039;s right to seek certain things for their own sake (moral goodness, virtue, philosophy, pleasure, happiness, etc.) My view is a bit complicated, but it&#039;s based somewhat on Aristotle&#039;s idea of final ends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric, my view is that there is something wrong with seeking money for its own sake because it exists purely to be used, but it&#8217;s right to seek certain things for their own sake (moral goodness, virtue, philosophy, pleasure, happiness, etc.) My view is a bit complicated, but it&#8217;s based somewhat on Aristotle&#8217;s idea of final ends.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh I totally agree about philosophy for its own sake. I think that there can be more of that if there are more people passing through philosophy departments on their way to jobs in the corporate world. I&#039;m in favor of everything for its own sake, but haven&#039;t quite been able to work that out yet. Or maybe I have... haven&#039;t decided yet. Not enough information. Still early in the morning. Brain fuzz. :) (and age, too much age.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I totally agree about philosophy for its own sake. I think that there can be more of that if there are more people passing through philosophy departments on their way to jobs in the corporate world. I&#8217;m in favor of everything for its own sake, but haven&#8217;t quite been able to work that out yet. Or maybe I have&#8230; haven&#8217;t decided yet. Not enough information. Still early in the morning. Brain fuzz. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  (and age, too much age.)</p>
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		<title>By: JW Gray</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 00:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ric, thanks for the comment. I have no main criticism to what you&#039;re saying, but there is something to be said for philosophy for its own sake rather than just usefulness to other ends. Even so, philosophy can be very useful and that should be known. There&#039;s a similar problem with science education. Scientists tend to want to do science for its own sake, not merely for technological reasons and so on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric, thanks for the comment. I have no main criticism to what you&#8217;re saying, but there is something to be said for philosophy for its own sake rather than just usefulness to other ends. Even so, philosophy can be very useful and that should be known. There&#8217;s a similar problem with science education. Scientists tend to want to do science for its own sake, not merely for technological reasons and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It being early in the morning and me on painkillers, I&#039;m not sure I can be totally coherent, but here&#039;s some thoughts. 

Philosophy, as a subject, has some problems. Marketing is one of them. I suspect most people who have had little or no exposure to the subject think it is just a bunch of wooly brained nerds sitting around discussing the meaning of the word &#039;is&#039;. It&#039;s entirely possible, and likely, to go through an entire public school education and never hear the word philosophy in context of it being a subject or a class. Ditto critical thinking. I&#039;m fifty years out of high school, and I don&#039;t remember it ever coming up, certainly not with any degree of seriousness. 

Philosophers are not selling philosophy as something useful, at least not in any organized public way that I&#039;ve seen. There&#039;s the occasional little book like William Irvine&#039;s &#039;A Guide to the Good LIfe&#039;, delineating Stoicism as a practical philosophy for everyday living. I would think that&#039;s the sort of thing that, introduced early in education, at least in high school, might get people interested in further study of philosophy. 

I suspect that a good many philosophy majors have found good jobs in the business world and other worlds, based on their ability to analyze and think clearly and so forth. Perhaps an effort on their part to speak out might help. &quot;Hi! I&#039;m a philosopher. I make a hundred and fifty thousand a year for thinking over at General Motors.&quot; I doubt very many people consider a philosophy degree as a gateway to jobs in the non-academic economy. Enough people following that path might make philosophy departments viable again and support academic philosophy. 

Way too early in the morning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It being early in the morning and me on painkillers, I&#8217;m not sure I can be totally coherent, but here&#8217;s some thoughts. </p>
<p>Philosophy, as a subject, has some problems. Marketing is one of them. I suspect most people who have had little or no exposure to the subject think it is just a bunch of wooly brained nerds sitting around discussing the meaning of the word &#8216;is&#8217;. It&#8217;s entirely possible, and likely, to go through an entire public school education and never hear the word philosophy in context of it being a subject or a class. Ditto critical thinking. I&#8217;m fifty years out of high school, and I don&#8217;t remember it ever coming up, certainly not with any degree of seriousness. </p>
<p>Philosophers are not selling philosophy as something useful, at least not in any organized public way that I&#8217;ve seen. There&#8217;s the occasional little book like William Irvine&#8217;s &#8216;A Guide to the Good LIfe&#8217;, delineating Stoicism as a practical philosophy for everyday living. I would think that&#8217;s the sort of thing that, introduced early in education, at least in high school, might get people interested in further study of philosophy. </p>
<p>I suspect that a good many philosophy majors have found good jobs in the business world and other worlds, based on their ability to analyze and think clearly and so forth. Perhaps an effort on their part to speak out might help. &#8220;Hi! I&#8217;m a philosopher. I make a hundred and fifty thousand a year for thinking over at General Motors.&#8221; I doubt very many people consider a philosophy degree as a gateway to jobs in the non-academic economy. Enough people following that path might make philosophy departments viable again and support academic philosophy. </p>
<p>Way too early in the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: rambleandrant</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 05:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed, a good dose of philosophy and history is beneficial to everyone.  I think my devotion to philosophy is somewhat singular as others would consider it on a similar &#039;BS&#039; scale as anthropology and other &quot;uselss&quot; classes they have to take.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, a good dose of philosophy and history is beneficial to everyone.  I think my devotion to philosophy is somewhat singular as others would consider it on a similar &#8216;BS&#8217; scale as anthropology and other &#8220;uselss&#8221; classes they have to take.</p>
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